Velbon El Carmagne 640 Review

by Stephen on September 6, 2009

Introduction

Velbon El Carmagne 640 Tripod

Velbon El Carmagne 640 Tripod

I used to think of Velbon as a manufacturer of cheap aluminum tripods until I discovered their El Carmagne line of carbon fiber tripods. The name Carmagne stands for carbon and magnesium. I have no idea how to pronounce it.

I began looking for a new tripod because the lever locks on my Bogen 3001D had worn out after several years of use. My primary criteria were:

  • Stability
  • Closed length
  • Light weight

Price was not a major factor in evaluating candidates and I was prepared to pay a significant amount of money to achieve my desired performance characteristics.

After examining many different tripods, I decided to purchase the Velbon El Carmagne 640. This is a mid-sized tripod. It goes to 48″ high with the center column down which is perfect for me once you include the height of a good ball head and the camera (I’m 5′8″). It has a closed length of 17.7″ which is just small enough to fit in a regular backpack. With the short center column, the tripod weighs 3lbs and will easily handle a DSLR and all but the biggest telephoto lenses.

Note that Velbon makes two lines of carbon fiber tripods: the El Carmagne version which I am reviewing in this article, and the Neo Carmagne line. The tripods are very similar and share many of the same components. The main difference is that the El Carmagne line uses flip locks while the Neo Carmagne uses rotating collars. The Neo Carmagne is also marketed as Sherpa Pro in some countries.

Build quality

The build quality of the tripod is excellent. The legs fit precisely without any slack. The center column is likewise snug. The leg locks can be operated with one hand, and when locked, the legs are tight and do not move or wobble when force is applied.

The legs are attached to the center of the tripod with a regular nut and bolt. This seemed a little crude to me, but functionally appears fine.

Other Features

  • Split center column. The center column is composed of two tubes that screw together. Since, I never raise the center column for stability reasons this feature eliminates the need to purchase a dedicated short column. Using the short column reduces the weight by ¼ lb.
  • Neoprene grips. The upper legs are covered with neoprene grips.
  • Stone bag. The tripod comes with a stone bag that hooks to the three legs for weighing down the tripod. The bag seems awkward and bulky so I will probably never use it.
  • Accessory hook. The tripod comes with a hook that screws to the bottom of the center column. Normally you would use this to hang additional weight on the tripod to improve stability. I would probably only use this if it were extremely windy.
  • Line markings. The tripod legs have regularly spaced markings on the legs to allow more precise height settings.

The Competition

I did many comparisons with other tripods including the following

  • Bogen 3001D, 055MF, 190MF
  • Gitzo 1128, 1228
  • Feisol 3401 and 3402
  • Velbon El Carmagne 540

Generally, I only considered tripods with 4 leg segments because of their smaller closed length. However, all of the above tripods have 3 segment versions which typically have larger closed lengths and are theorectically more more stable because there is one less joint. The Bogen 3001D is the only aluminum tripod in the group.

The specifications of the tripods are shown in table 1. Height refers to the maximum height without raising the center column; tube diameter refers to the diameter of the largest leg segment.

     closed length       height       weight       tube diameter       sections       price   
(inches) (inches) (lbs) (mm) ($)
Bogen 3001D 20.8 45.7 3.7 - 3 115
Bogen 190MF 18.1 44.7 3.5 - 4 275
Bogen 055MF 21.3 51.4 4.4 - 4 325
Gitzo 1128 18.5 46.1 2.6 24 4 470
Gitzo 1228 21.3 52.0 3.4 27 4 520
Feisol 3401 20.1 52.8 3.2 28 4 185
Feisol 3402 17.3 44.4 2.9 28 4 175
Velbon 540 16.5 43.4 2.7 25 4 260
Velbon 640 17.7 48.3 3.2 28 4 275
Table 1. Tripod Specifications

I did not list load ratings because generally there is no standard way of measuring weight bearing capability that is consistent between manufacturers. You really need to examine the tripods in person. However, in general, larger diameter tubes typically translates into greater sturdiness and ability to support heavier loads.

Using the short column on the 640 saves ¼ pound and brings the weight down to exactly 3lbs.

Compared to Bogen

The Bogen 3001D was my main tripod for several years. It was made of aluminum and used lever locks. Although it served me well, it is hopelessly outclassed by all of the other tripods except in price.

Bogen also has a series of tripods called Magfiber which stands for magnesium and carbon fiber. I tried these tripods but I felt they were not very sturdy. This might be caused by the very thin and spindly fourth leg segments. Furthermore, the Magfiber tripods are heavy compared with the equivalent carbon fiber models of other manufacturers.

Compared with Gitzo

Gitzo is the gold standard of tripods and many consider them to be a work of art. Unfortunately, they are also are priced accordingly. Gitzo tripods are extremely well made and I would consider their construction to be slightly better than the Velbon.

In general, compared to the equivalent model Gitzo, the Velbon

  • has a much smaller closed length
  • has a shorter maximum height when the center column is not raised
  • has larger diameter tubes (the maximum tube diameter is 1mm bigger but the difference is larger for the fourth leg segment)
  • has lever locks instead of collars (the Neo Carmagne line has collars which many claim operate better than the Gitzo equivalent)
  • is significantly cheaper (half the price)

The Gitzo 1228 is a direct competitor to the El Carmagne 640. I decided against the 1228 because of the much longer closed length and I thought the 640 would be more stable because of the larger leg diameter, especially on the fourth segment.

The Gitzo 1128 is an ultra-light tripod and it is in a different class than the Velbon 640 which is heavier and sturdier. Surprisingly, the Velbon 640 actually has a smaller closed length than the 1128. The Gitzo 1128 did not seem sturdy enough for me.

Compared to Feisol

Feisol is a Taiwanese company that manufactures a several different carbon fiber tripods and monopods. These tripods have excellent specifications and have been well received and highly praised by users. However, since Feisol only has one distributor in the United States I could not find a model to examine. They are the most inexpensive of all the carbon fiber tripods and may be extremely good value for the money.

Compared with Velbon El Carmagne 540

This tripod is the little sister of the 640. It is a very nice tripod and I almost purchased it instead of the 640. The 540 was tempting because it is ½ lb lighter and about 1 inch smaller in closed length. The tripod itself is very stable and subjectively I felt that it sacrificed little sturdiness, if any, compared to the 640. The 540 would certainly be fine for a larger SLR body with a 300 f/4 or a 70-200 f/2.8. I also felt that the 540 was also sturdier than the Gitzo 1128.

The main drawback of the 540 is its maximum height with the center column down. While the lower height is probably acceptable for a travel tripod, I also planned to use the tripod for general photography and hence chose the slightly taller 640.

Positives

  • sturdy and light weight
  • small closed size
  • excellent price
  • includes a short column and accessory hook

Negatives

  • none

Final Thoughts

The Velbon El Carmagne 640 tripod is a sturdy lightweight carbon fiber tripod. It has a small closed length that makes it ideal for hiking and traveling. The tripod is well made and comes with a lifetime warranty so I expect that it will be very durable.

{ 10 comments… read them below or add one }

Scott October 27, 2009 at 8:58 am

Many thanks for this review! It was extremely helpful.

Terry Breedlove October 28, 2009 at 10:25 am

Than you for the review. I am looking for a good traveling/backpacking fiber tripod and I think I have decided on the 540. I shoot with with a Nikon D2x and my old Aluminum tripod is still working well, but getting heavier and heavier each day. :)

Pete Lyons November 14, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Until Thursday night, 12 November 09, I quite liked my Carmagne 640 for all the reasons cited in your review. But then it broke. As I extended the first leg to the stop, there was a snapping sound and the entire lower tube assembly came out of the uppermost leg section. Two small, curved chips of broken carbon fiber also fell out.
I did not exert any excess force, in my opinion, while extending the leg. Nor has the unit been at all abused during approximately a year’s ownership and entirely normal, indoor use.
It proved impossible to reinsert the leg and I had no backup tripod, so I had to shoot the event hand-held.
Hakuba’s website speaks of sending the unit in for repair. I’ll do so and report how this experience concludes. But right now I am no longer impressed with this brand.

Pete Lyons November 14, 2009 at 10:02 pm

Update: I see the Hakuba site mentioned above is ancient, as apparently the company was taken over in 2003 by something named ToCad America. I have submitted a query to tocad.com. If there’s no response in a reasonable time I’ll follow up by phone. We’ll see what happens. Meanwhile, I’m browsing Gitzos.

Pete Lyons November 16, 2009 at 8:54 am

Monday morning the 16th and things are looking up. The following response from ToCad customer service is both prompt and positive:

Hi Pete,

Please send your tripod for repair with a copy of your proof of purchase (receipt) for warranty repairs and a check for $15.95 (shipping and handling) to the address below Attn: Service Department.

Please make your check or money order payable to ToCad America.

Sorry for your trouble.

Thank you,

Gloria

Gloria Hoerr
Customer Service

ToCad America
53 Green Pond Road, Suite 5
Rockaway, NJ 07866

Tel: 800-886-2236 ext.119
ghoerr@tocad.com

[MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS]
—–Original Message—–
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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Gloria Hoerr
Subject: WebForm: Comments

Date/Time: 11/14/2009 12:56:30 PM
Name: Pete Lyons
Title:
Company:
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City: Big Bear City
State: CA
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Comments :

REPAIR NEEDED, Broken leg, Carmagne 640, Serial no. 020722 Until Thursday night, 12 November 09, I quite liked my Carmagne 640. But then it broke. As I extended the first leg to the stop, there was a snapping sound and the entire lower tube assembly came out of the uppermost leg section. Two small, curved chips of broken carbon fiber also fell out.
I did not exert any excess force, in my opinion, while extending the leg.
Nor has the unit been at all abused during approximately a year’s ownership and entirely normal, indoor use.
It proved impossible to reinsert the leg and I had no backup tripod, so I had to shoot the event hand-held.
Your website speaks of sending the unit in for repair. Please tell me how to proceed.
Thank you.
Pete Lyons
pete@petelyons.com

Stephen November 16, 2009 at 10:25 pm

@Pete — I hope you get your tripod back in a timely fashion. It sounds like it was a manufacturing defect that didn’t immediately surface.

I’ve also started looking at Gitzo tripods and in fact purchased a 1541T along with a Markins Q3T ballhead. It’s significantly smaller than the velbon and because the way the head is reversed it only comes to 16.1 inches in closed length. It feels like it is in another league in terms of build quality — however I don’t know yet if this translates into increased stability.

Pete Lyons November 23, 2009 at 4:40 pm

On Monday, Nov. 23, Gloria gives this encouraging status report:

“Hi Pete,
I was told that they just received the tripod leg and will take care of it for you.
I will get back to you when I have more shipping information.”

Stephen, I’ve read through your HP printer story and I see I don’t have ANYTHING LIKE the problem you survived!
We’ll all be awaiting your report on the compact new Gitzo.

Pete Lyons December 3, 2009 at 6:02 pm

December 3, 2009 — ToCad came through with excellent customer service. UPS delivered my repaired Carmagne 640 at 4:30 this afternoon, and on inspection the unit looks and performs as it did before the breakage. Total cost to me: not quite $32 for two-way shipping (plus about two weeks downtime). I am satisfied with the company. But I will not forget the product broke.

Marilou March 14, 2010 at 11:47 pm

Hi Stephen….Thanks for posting this wonderful review. I am devating between 540 and 640. My heaviest load including the weight of the ballhead is 5.03 lbs. I have seen the 640 but I havent seen the 540. I am looking for a tripod that is stable but not too big or heavy for travel. Does the 640 looks so much bigger than the 540 or it is the same bulkiness just longer? My height is 5′5 that’s why I’m leaning towards 640 but 540 according to the descriptions seems more compact and smaller to take for travels or hikes . Any suggestions? Thanks.

Stephen March 15, 2010 at 6:56 pm

Marilou — The 640 uses slightly bigger tubes so in addition to being longer, it will also be wider and take up more space. I’m 5′8″ and don’t have any problem with the height of 640 and even the 540 seemed ok for me. You have to remember that on top of the tripod height, you can add several inches for a ballhead and if you are using an l-plate you won’t have to flop the camera over on it’s side to take vertical images. I would borrow a friends tripod and set it up to the height the 540 would come to and see if that works for you.

You mention a weight of 5 lbs (camera+lens+ballhead), so I’m guessing the biggest lens you will be using is 70-200 f/2.8 or 300 f/4 lens. In which case, I think the 540 would be more than stable enough.

Tripods are very personal piece of equipment and it’s hard to translate specifications into real world feel. If you absolutely cannot see one in person, I would try ordering the one you are leaning toward from a retailer like B&H (no restocking fee) and return it for the other one if it doesn’t suit you.

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